Talk:Rembrandt

Various comments
About the dutch quote and translation(die meeste ende di naetuereelste beweechgelickheijt.): I disagree with both interpretations, he probably meant what we now call 'livelyness'. The best(most) and most(best) natural livelyness ' is the best modern interpretation in english i can think off. The connotation of (political) 'movement' and 'beweging' is also still there in dutch.'bewogen' also means 'moved'. But technically the one major superoustanding aspect of his art is: the natural livelyness, so why not keep it at that. btw. i think in this aspect michelangelo compares in his sculpture.onix80.57.243.72 03:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)I LUV POO PO PO OOOO

Hmm - Caravaggio? Velasquez? Etruscan sarcophagus carvers? I can think of lots of candidates. Please don't go all emotive - art history is a field of serious inquiry. The initial entries is what professionals call with condescension "art appreciation". --MichaelTinkler

Needs more.. Plus, given what I've seen of naming conventions here of late, shouldn't this be redirected to Rembrandt rather than the other way around? Rgamble

I'd like to see some justification for the pronunciation given. It doesn't make much sense to me, and I don't know how "rijin" is supposed to be pronounced, but it doesn't seem like the Dutch pronunciation for "Rijn" - more like English "rain" or "Rhine" - was attempted. Is it another internationally accepted pronunciation? --Iceager 22:25, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Does the night watch really require a seperate article? It seems like mostly duplicate information, and should all be in one place. --IYY 02:22, 28 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Agree, there is not much new in that article. Erik Zachte 02:46, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

I removed "It was recently parodied (albeit gently) for the dust jacket of Terry Pratchett's 2002 Discworld novel Night Watch." This is irrelevant trivia fact. There are hundreds of parodies on all major works of art. Erik Zachte 02:46, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Chuck Close was a few months ago interviewed by NPR and was asked what he thought of Rembrandt. One of the interesting things Close said was "Rembrandt had great lines". I have been fortunate enough to have seen some works of both Rembrandt and Titian. Personally, for my part, I respond much more favorably to Rembrandt's etchings and drawings. Strange and I cannot say why. The smaller format I think seemed to work in Rembrandt's favor. Titian was a deft painter. It is a horse race but Titian takes the prize. Titian was a better painter than Rembrandt. Interestingly, Delacroix, the 19th c. great romantic painter, in his journals thought of Rembrandt surpassing Raphael in fame over time. Delacroix was right. Mark Faraday 03:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Lazy eye theory
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3665670.stm --Sonjaaa 06:08, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)


 * To prove it, you might want to find some:
 * * Living great artists who have lazy eyes.
 * * Living miserable artists who show great improvements after a failed eye surgery.


 * -- Toytoy 06:38, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Leonardo da Vinci
Did Rembrandt really picture Leonardo da Vinci dissecting? Of so, can you include it in the article. Thanks. --Eleassar777 16:11, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe you are thinking of doctor Nicolaes Tulp? The anatomy lesson of doctor Nicolaes Tulp. For your information, Leonardo lived from 1452 to 1519. Rembrandt probably lived from 1607 to 1669. ChristianGL 04:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Year of Birth
The year of Rembrandts birth is usually thought to be 1606. This comes from an old book about the city of Leiden (his birth place). Day and year were supposedly named by a brother or sister. There also exist two documents, signed by Rembrandt himself stating his age (a marriage document and a testimony). From these two documents his year of birth appears to be 1607. (See de Volkskrant, zaterdag 6 augustus; het Betoog p7) -- Daniel 16:05, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Lazy eye theory
I'm planning on robbing the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. That painting is worth, like, 12 million euros.


 * -- Jesse Ventura 06:38, Jan 13, 2006 (UTC)

Moved
I moved the content to Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn in light of the disambig that was needed here. uriah923(talk) 18:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Nuts! It's going back. ToP Dab case if there ever was one. --Jerzy•t 02:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

the edit histories are all mucked up. almost all the edits to the article about the painter are under Rembrandt (disambiguation); the history here begins with the initial redirect from Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn, then skips two years, then picks up again in mid-February. this is why cut-and-paste moves are Not Allowed.

I'll try to sort it out. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 21:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

think it's all fixed now. there might be one or two hiccups in the history here, but the majority of edits are now where they belong. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 21:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Moved from article
Moved the following from the article space. --BillC 23:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Like It is said above that it has always been suggested that Rembrandt's own studio practice is a major factor in the difficulty of attribution... It is highly likely to myself that there will never be universal agreement as to what and what does not constitute a genuine Rembrandt, unless other means are to be used.

Well,... I vanrijngo (Bob Miller) half assed artist, art researcher, collector of fine art and a pain in the ass guru, can believe this last statement on which will be universally agreed upon in the future, about what is and what isn't Rembrandt's. Of course there could be the option of using science and new technologies that are in place today that could make these determinations correctly,.... But the way that it is looking to me today,... these new processes will never be used or excepted in the near future by these supposed so-called MFA expert that seem to be incharge,... just because of their super natural means of intuitive hands on inspections, only which could be used supposedly by themselves. Wouldn't it be great to spend your life studying under these super natural beings and fashioning yourselves after them only to find out in the future or afterwards that they were barking up a wrong tree?

Blogs and diary of vanrijngo.com - a non-affiliate member of this world's art expertise will give you other alternative studies.

Listing External Link
I would like to add our company link to your Rembrandt External Links.

We represent the complete collection of Rembrandt etchings by Amand-Durand, featuring Rembrandt's self portraits, landscapes, biblical scenes and other portraiture. Our website is www.rembrandtart.com.

Thank You, www.rembrandtart.com

Why is the article located at www.anthonychristian.co.uk/ezine14.html not relevant enough to be included in the external links?

It is written by a very well known art-historian and makes the interesting point that Rembrandt did, in fact, use impressionist techniques 400 years before the impressionist movement.

Mike Hannon 22.05.06

Cultural depictions of Rembrandt
I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information. I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list. Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this as a model for the editors here. Regards,  Durova  15:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Rembrandt's Mistress
I had a lecture in medical school some time ago that mentioned that one of Rembrandt's works featured a lady. Painted in the nude, she exhibited a bulge and pitting in the skin over her breast, signs of breast cancer. This was noticed by a surgeon admiring the painting, who eventually went on to write a book about this. I've found the painting to be Bathsheba at her bath, and Rembrandt's model for this was his then-wife, Hendrickje Stoffels, who was found to have eventually died probably from breast cancer. Wouldn't it be interesting to mention this in the article? She was after all, his wife at the time. Possibly just a sentence as the work is already mentioned in his list of paintings. Or perhaps, someone could add an article on it. I am in no way qualified to do this. Squiggle 15:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

"Expert assesment"
I'm not really sure what this theorizing about Rembrandt's vision adds to the understanding of Rembrandt. There always seems to be some professor saying something about the eyes of an old master to explain how they paint in their own characteristic style, for instance also El Greco with his elongated human figures.
 * I partially agree with you. But I think expert assesments should be included in the article. Although, it should be a fact that the article about Rembrandts life is ridiculously small! There exists no articles about Rembrandts paintings besides from the one about the nightwatch! ChristianGL 04:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Signature and optics
I have re-structured to renew sections on R's signature and optics: neither sits appropriately under the 'works' heading, nor does either merit placement so high up in the article. If either is to remain, for now I think they read best lower in the entry, as separate concepts. JNW 01:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion
The European Library presents more than 150 online objects of or related to Rembrandt

Polish Rider
I've read Zygulski's article, from JSTOR, Vol. 21, No. 41. (2000), pp. 197-205. He cites a number of theories from various art scholars regarding the rider's identity: one thought he was Jonasz Szlichtyng, a Polish freedom fighter who was in Amsterdam in the 1650s. Another believed he was Szymon Karol Ogiński, who married a Dutch woman. Yet another, Juliusz Chrościcki, perceived the sitter to be Marcjan Ogiński, a corporal in the Lithuanian army when Ferdinand Bol painted him in the 1650s. It does not seem that any of these conclusions are yet accepted as definitive. The Frick considers the research inconclusive, as do, I suspect, most scholars--it does not fit easily within the iconography of equestrian portraiture. JNW 02:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Birth
There is contradictory information on the year of R's birth, as well as number of siblings and familial context. Nearly all literature lists July 15,1606, as his date of birth, so I have reverted the mention of a likelihood of 1607; there needs to be stronger sourcing to support this claim. The sibling issue is tricky: I've reverted the 'fourth of six surviving children' information, even though it derives from Britannica, because several print biographies accompanying recent exhibitions (Rijksmuseum, 2006, Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, 2004) state that he was the ninth of ten children. One anticipates further reversions, but reliable cites will be necessary. JNW 12:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

List of paintings
Can we be bold and cut all the redlinks? They are very biased to the Anglosphere anyway. Personally I rarely like these lists, certainly for artists with large catalogues. Johnbod 03:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't like these lists, either--the only thing more disheartening is a trivia list. If am fine with the red links eliminated, though there are a few works of prominence which ought to be included if the list remains (Aristotle, Bathsheba, the Syndics, and Claudius Civilis, for example), maybe in black type. Cut away. JNW 03:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well done, Johnbod. Now, if you want to have a go at the mother of all painting lists, check out Botticelli... JNW 04:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Pas ce soir! Keep up the good work. Johnbod 04:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead, but there's certainly room for more. JNW 14:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, I plan on dropping in something about his etchings soon; there is hardly anything there now, and that's just wrong. If you want to add something first, feel free. JNW 04:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's been on my ever-expanding "to do" list for some time now. Johnbod 14:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This GA nom (just added) seems premature to me, I must say! Johnbod 23:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)