Talk:J. A. Henckels

Significance of the "zwilling" ("twin")
What is the significance of the "zwilling" ("twin") part of the company name? Unsigned posting from 02:53, 28. Mär. 2006 69.197.241.139


 * The following is taking from the manufacturers homepage: The history of the ZWILLING J.A. HENCKELS brand starts on June 13, 1731 (under the Gemini star sign). It was on that day that knife-maker Peter Henckels from Solingen registered the "Twin" symbol as his trademark with the Cutlers´ Guild of Solingen. This symbol which is now well-known all over the world, is thus one of the oldest trademarks in the world. Today´s name - ZWILLING J.A. HENCKELS - was given to the Company by a descendant of Peter Henckels, Johann Abraham Henckels. The German word for Gemini (or twin) is "Zwilling"  Cattleyard 09:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Awards
The awards section needs to be cited if the page isn't going to look like an advertisement, and should be re-written for a more appropriate formatting and style. If the knives won the awards, they should be listed on an independant website, not the Henckels website. "J.A. Henckels knives and cutlery-related products have received several awards and honorable mentions over the years. In 2005, Henckels TWIN Select and TWIN Pro 'S' were ranked #1 and #2 for cutlery sets by a leading non-profit consumer trade publication. In 2004, TWIN Cuisine cutlery received The GOOD DESIGN award, which is admininstered annually at the Chicago Athenaeum. In 2005, TWIN Kitchen Shears also won the award. J.A. Henckels has received the red dot design award several times over the past 10 years. The latest winners have been the TWIN Cuisine knife series in 2005, and the TWIN Cermax M66 series in 2006.  In the past two years, the TWIN Nail Clipper and TWIN Cermax M66 knife series has received the iF product design award at the Hannover Exhibition Centre."

WLU 01:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

From Jgioacchini's talk page
Taken from User talk:Jgioacchini You should check out some other kitchen cutlery pages then. They provide the same information that you removed from our page. To be fair, all pages should be subject to the same rules.

Also, as far as "bragging" with awards, I would not call it bragging at all. The company received awards, its a fact. Check out the website at www.jahenckels.com. You can check out the iF design website and the reddot award website for confirmation. The awards listing in no way said anything besides the facts. Each knife series was listed with the award it received. If that's bragging, then I'm confused.

For the places to find Henckels products, several other brands list where to purchase their products.

Here are my replies to these comments:
 * 1) 'It appears on other pages' is a reason to correct the other pages to be in line with policy. Information on wikipedia pages must be reliable and neutral, and wikipedia is not a place to advertise.  The pages are subject to the same rules - you'd be doing wikipedia a favour if those other pages were corrected.  Please check out the links to policies, so you understand why I'm taking the position I do.  If you still disagree, we can discuss it here.
 * 2) If the knives have received awards, they should indeed be noted, but these awards must be documented by a reliable source. I'm pretty sure the henckels website isn't one of them, it's not independent - the awarding bodies should have the awards themselves listed on their own websites, those would be independent sources and much more credible than the henckels website.  If iF and reddot websites have their own citations of the knives, those sources would definitely add to the page, so please put them up.  I can help you with the formatting if you'd like, or post them on this talk page and I'll add them myself.
 * 3) If other brands list where to purchase them, I think it should be removed from those pages. I don't think it adds anything encyclopedic to the page, but does reduce its credibility.  We can ask for a WP:3O if you'd like.  The information on where to purchase them can be found with much greater accuracy and reliability on the henckels webpage, which is attached in the external links section. WLU 19:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)